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Comments on: Theory of Price Notes, Part I: Tastes http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/ The utopia at the end of history will be... awkward at best. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:42:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Daniel http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-71560 Daniel Sat, 12 Jul 2008 04:17:32 +0000 http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-71560 I read similar article also named y of Price Notes, Part I: Tastes at Awkward Utopia, and it was completely different. Personally, I agree with you more, because this article makes a little bit more sense for me I read similar article also named y of Price Notes, Part I: Tastes at Awkward Utopia, and it was completely different. Personally, I agree with you more, because this article makes a little bit more sense for me

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By: Admiral http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-56030 Admiral Thu, 15 May 2008 15:06:47 +0000 http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-56030 Is <a href="http://www.watsoninstitute.org/pub_detail.cfm?id=810" rel="nofollow">this paper</a> by Jensen and Oster a piece of evidence for the taste theory? (h/t Cafe Salemba) Is this paper by Jensen and Oster a piece of evidence for the taste theory? (h/t Cafe Salemba)

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By: Politicians as Artists, Part II: Vaclav Havel « somewhere i have never traveled http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55713 Politicians as Artists, Part II: Vaclav Havel « somewhere i have never traveled Wed, 14 May 2008 05:08:24 +0000 http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55713 [...] Havel once wrote something incredibly interesting about the meaning of truth in art. Is he a product of his time, when no truth could be had from a government run in Moscow? The extent of a culture’s influence is perhaps a subject best left to other domains at the moment. In any event, Havel strongly implies a transcendent value of truth in being and meaning: It seems to me that these thoroughly ideological and often semantically confused categories [capitalism and socialism] have long since been beside the point. The question is wholly other, deeper and equally relevant to all; whether we shall, by whatever means, succeed in reconstituting the natural world as the true terrain of politics, rehabilitating the personal experience of human beings as the initial measure of things, placing morality above politics and responsibility above our desires, in making human community meaningful, in returning content to human speaking in reconstituting, as the focus of all social action, the autonomous, integral and dignified human I, responsible for ourself because we are bound to something higher…. [...] [...] Havel once wrote something incredibly interesting about the meaning of truth in art. Is he a product of his time, when no truth could be had from a government run in Moscow? The extent of a culture’s influence is perhaps a subject best left to other domains at the moment. In any event, Havel strongly implies a transcendent value of truth in being and meaning: It seems to me that these thoroughly ideological and often semantically confused categories [capitalism and socialism] have long since been beside the point. The question is wholly other, deeper and equally relevant to all; whether we shall, by whatever means, succeed in reconstituting the natural world as the true terrain of politics, rehabilitating the personal experience of human beings as the initial measure of things, placing morality above politics and responsibility above our desires, in making human community meaningful, in returning content to human speaking in reconstituting, as the focus of all social action, the autonomous, integral and dignified human I, responsible for ourself because we are bound to something higher…. [...]

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By: Admiral http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55514 Admiral Tue, 13 May 2008 05:50:12 +0000 http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55514 In response to your Theory of Price comments: I actually felt that section of the book could have been better. While I appreciated him mentioning it, I felt the discussion suffered for not discussing the real strengths of theory. I feel, as I read the book, that the author retreats too many times from the solid terrain that theory affords, as in the last full paragraph of p. 83, which contains some very GOOD statements but ends with disappointment for me. In response to your Theory of Price comments: I actually felt that section of the book could have been better. While I appreciated him mentioning it, I felt the discussion suffered for not discussing the real strengths of theory. I feel, as I read the book, that the author retreats too many times from the solid terrain that theory affords, as in the last full paragraph of p. 83, which contains some very GOOD statements but ends with disappointment for me.

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By: Matt http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55512 Matt Tue, 13 May 2008 05:37:18 +0000 http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55512 Does the sitemeter catch RSS subscribers though? Does the sitemeter catch RSS subscribers though?

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By: Admiral http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55484 Admiral Tue, 13 May 2008 02:23:17 +0000 http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55484 As I alluded to before, I think there may be several interesting implications, some along the lines you mentioned. Checking the SiteMeter, it is evident that in the past day the only people coming to this blog are you, me, and Bob, heheh. That's fine, I suppose. As I alluded to before, I think there may be several interesting implications, some along the lines you mentioned. Checking the SiteMeter, it is evident that in the past day the only people coming to this blog are you, me, and Bob, heheh. That’s fine, I suppose.

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By: Matt http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55456 Matt Mon, 12 May 2008 22:48:05 +0000 http://www.awkwardutopia.com/wordpress/2008/05/theory-of-price-notes-part-i-tastes/#comment-55456 I too checked out a copy of this text. I have been trying to find a used copy for sale online, but to no avail. (Eventually the UF library is going to want all of their books back….) This text is indeed an undergraduate level economics text last published in 1987, first published in 1947. The text is intermediate level, although written for those without any economics background. I can’t be sure of the precise history, but my guess is that in those pre-1990 years, the curriculum was slightly more compact. Friedman wrote a graduate level text, <em>Price Theory</em>, which has just been reprinted by Transaction publishers. In the preface he states that Stigler’s text is a sufficient prerequisite. There is a sort of natural progression in these Chicago school textbooks. I am reading an even older “intro” economics textbook, <em>The Economic Organization</em>, by Frank Knight. Knight was Stigler’s PhD advisor and I read that Stigler used Knight’s text as a starting point for his Theory of Price. I’ll make some posts about this later. On a side note, I just indulged and bought the rare second volume of the Variorum edition of Marshall’s <em>Principles of Economics</em>. I already had the first volume, which consists of the main text. The second volume consists entirely of footnotes, editor’s notes, and commentary. This edition was published in 1961, and I believe this is the last time Marshall’s work was published unabridged. Anyway, I have only read the first chapter of Stigler’s text at this point. I enjoyed his brief methodological discussions. For comparison, I also opened up my copy of Pindyck and Rubinstein (5th ed), which I used for Intermediate Micro. As suspected, the P&R text lacks the full methodological discussion that Stigler gives. Instead they devote only about a paragraph to methodology. If there is one part of economic study that is under-appreciated, it must be methodology. Here is my summary of Stigler’s methodology discussion (apologies for errors, I do not have the text with me at the moment): Theories must provide testable implications; statements like MR=MC are simply tautologies—not theories. [MM: Although the statement “firms set quantities such that MR=MC” is a theoretical prediction, not a tautology.] Theories should be judged based on their predictive power. A good theory is both general and true, a difficult task to achieve. By definition, general theories must ignore some aspects of the world and consequently cannot be fully realistic. Those were the main points. I have yet to read any more though. Regarding the quotes given by Admiral: That is definitely an interpretation I haven’t heard before. Stigler essentially says that environmental constraints and evolution combine to define the tastes of most consumers. Economic growth allows us to overcome these environmental constraints and thus allows humanity access to a wider range of tastes. Very interesting. I guess this kind of analysis would lead into work examining the “universe of preference relations” and the subset available to consumers, and how economic growth affects that subset. I’m not sure exactly what kind of implications that has, except that this is possibly another rarely discussed benefit of economic growth. I too checked out a copy of this text. I have been trying to find a used copy for sale online, but to no avail. (Eventually the UF library is going to want all of their books back….)

This text is indeed an undergraduate level economics text last published in 1987, first published in 1947. The text is intermediate level, although written for those without any economics background. I can’t be sure of the precise history, but my guess is that in those pre-1990 years, the curriculum was slightly more compact.

Friedman wrote a graduate level text, Price Theory, which has just been reprinted by Transaction publishers. In the preface he states that Stigler’s text is a sufficient prerequisite. There is a sort of natural progression in these Chicago school textbooks.

I am reading an even older “intro” economics textbook, The Economic Organization, by Frank Knight. Knight was Stigler’s PhD advisor and I read that Stigler used Knight’s text as a starting point for his Theory of Price. I’ll make some posts about this later.

On a side note, I just indulged and bought the rare second volume of the Variorum edition of Marshall’s Principles of Economics. I already had the first volume, which consists of the main text. The second volume consists entirely of footnotes, editor’s notes, and commentary. This edition was published in 1961, and I believe this is the last time Marshall’s work was published unabridged.

Anyway, I have only read the first chapter of Stigler’s text at this point. I enjoyed his brief methodological discussions. For comparison, I also opened up my copy of Pindyck and Rubinstein (5th ed), which I used for Intermediate Micro. As suspected, the P&R text lacks the full methodological discussion that Stigler gives. Instead they devote only about a paragraph to methodology.

If there is one part of economic study that is under-appreciated, it must be methodology.

Here is my summary of Stigler’s methodology discussion (apologies for errors, I do not have the text with me at the moment):

Theories must provide testable implications; statements like MR=MC are simply tautologies—not theories. [MM: Although the statement “firms set quantities such that MR=MC” is a theoretical prediction, not a tautology.] Theories should be judged based on their predictive power. A good theory is both general and true, a difficult task to achieve. By definition, general theories must ignore some aspects of the world and consequently cannot be fully realistic.

Those were the main points. I have yet to read any more though. Regarding the quotes given by Admiral: That is definitely an interpretation I haven’t heard before. Stigler essentially says that environmental constraints and evolution combine to define the tastes of most consumers. Economic growth allows us to overcome these environmental constraints and thus allows humanity access to a wider range of tastes. Very interesting.

I guess this kind of analysis would lead into work examining the “universe of preference relations” and the subset available to consumers, and how economic growth affects that subset. I’m not sure exactly what kind of implications that has, except that this is possibly another rarely discussed benefit of economic growth.

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